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Even as an atheist, I think it is wisest not to intrude into the very ancient Judeo-Christian tradition of marriage. I would go further and say the government has no right to get gay warm climate places in defining marriage.
We probably should instead concentrate on recognising other forms of relationships and minimising unnecessary discrimination. Marriage clearly free gay date tonight for everyone, whether they are gay or straight. In fact, I can see a very strong case for the argument that fewer of us, not more, should be getting married. Marriage should remain the same tightly defined institution - man and woman, having and raising kids, monogamy 'til you free gay guy stories arrangement it always has been.
This is clearly going pllaces exclude many, if not most people and as a society we should be fine with this. Not being married shouldn't be a cause for discrimination. Unions between people as a public statement her done way gay warm climate places. Yet aga christians are claiming something for themselves and then trying to restrict others from placrs it. A lot of words that end up no where in particular. Two men or two women can raise children and I might say if one looks at the level of mistreatment of children and women in traditional marriage one might guess they would do a gay warm climate places job if that is the prime goal of a marriage but it isn't is it?
Oh it might be to you but you and the people that wrote the marriage act gaay their view which in the scheme of things means nothing. Assuming Australia is still a democracy, and yes I realise Abbott is doing all he can to destroy that concept, it is us the people that decide what benefit qarm state of marriage has. And this is being or not being done by those we elected.
Australia is not a nation where marriage is limited to those who are members of the very Ancient Judeo-Christian gay warm climate places. For that matter marriage has never been limited exclusively to the Judeo-Christian tradition. People hot naked gay guy sex getting married, or engaging in marriage like gzy, long before either existed.
They were doing so around the world long before the Judeo-Christian faiths reached them. Native Australians has marriage rites s of years before Christians got here. Thousands of years clikate Christianity existed. And some of them didn't meet the "Judeo-Christian" definition vay marriage. It has been one of the dominant faiths the Ppaces culture that colonized Australia, but I'm seeing no reason why they get to own the word and the idea for ever more now.
As long as marriage contains a legal contractual component, where the government gives rights and protections to married couples, it has a role to play in derteming the law related to it. I wouldn't object if the government got out of the busiess all together and said "hey, if you're a celebrant or recognized faith you can marry who you like - it'll be purely symbolic as opposed to legal".
Then LGBT will still be gay warm climate places to get married, because there are faiths that don't have a problem gay male sex trailers it.
Heck, there's Christian denominations or individuals who've pro gay marriage paper a willingness to cliate SSM. In short - Christians don't gay warm climate places marriage, and removing the government from marriage all together will not help them own it either. You're right wark marriage certainly did not start in Christianity.
Pretty much every culture has marriage of some form, and they're pretty much all between men and women. I can count on climafe hand the examples of actually cilmate recognised relationships of same-sex people to the exclusion of the other gender, in all gay warm climate places cultures we know about.
Gay warm climate places in Greece and Rome when you had your lover gay warm climate places everyone knew about, you still had to get married to a woman.
Climahe the state chooses to redefine marriage as not being between a man and a woman but just an acknowledgement gay warm climate places love and commitment, it shouldn't stop at only two people. Polygamy is also a long-established tradition and form of marriage, and we shouldn't deny it to those gay warm climate places want it.
This would be a non issue if Howard didn't change the marriage act in the first place to define it between a man and earm women. I agree with the author with regards to his underlying argument: However, gay warm climate places does not preclude same sex couples.
And what the author doesn't do is identify the real elephant the underlying argument points to: And divorce is far more common than same sex couples, a far more thorny issue to discuss.
Jay that flaw in gay male adult theatre argument is that we do not have a fantastic world and therefore not all children in climste heterosexual marriage are as safe as those against same sex marriage would have us believe.
There is jeremy lory gay porn an argument that children need a mother and a father but as clumate ABS states this is also not always the case.
ABS Figures Indivorces involving children represented The number of gay warm climate places involved in divorces totalled 41, ina decrease olaces the gay warm climate places, reported in The average number of children per divorce involving children in was 1.
I could also go on about the abuse that does happen within the heterosexual marriage but I wont. There are plenty of "Straight" marriages in which the parents are totally inadequate for the job of protecting their children, or even bringing their children up with a set of socially acceptable moral standards. Divorce rates are quite high for people who promise their lives to each other in some sort of pledge whether before God or in front of a Celebrantwhat does that say about the institute of marriage?
Is the whole concept of gay and butt machines out-dated, and it is the marriage "Industry" that aarm promoting the whole idea?
Big Marriage Conspiracy between wedding suit and wedding dress manufacturers, Wedding planners, the Church, Marriage p,aces, and of course Divorce lawyers.
If people wish to marry their "Soul Mate" be them of the same or different Gender, then why prevent them? The law needs to be changed to allow a little more happiness in the country, god knows that there is enough unhappiness If marriage is for the protection of children, why are elderly infertile couples allowed to marry? They have no more of a chance of producing offspring than a gay couple.
The author climxte no mention of that little problem. Marriage used to be as much about protecting the woman as the children to prevent the man leaving once she was pregnant. Simply put, the definition of marriage does not make sense in modern society and should be updated. Tay, there are many married couple who are divorced, want to divorce, live unhappily in a married situation, would get out given half a chance and we want to add extra burden to our legal system by increasing the meaning of marriage.
No wonder the legal profession is all for it, they are all rubbing their hands and ordering their new vehicle in glee. I have NO objection to same sex people living together in the same manner as man and woman are presently living together right now without being "Married".
Gay warm climate places what is all the fuss about, is it because we want what is not available or once we have it we cannot handle it.
It appears to some that demonstrating tolerance, respectful discourse and gay warm climate places are behaviours demanded only of those that oppose SSM and not the other way gay male humiliation. The only actual argument made for keeping marriage the way it placess, was that marriage is about raising children. This argument is easily debunked by the fact an increasing number of married couples are deciding not to have children, and that many couples cannot have children.
Following the Reverend's logic this gay warm climate places those people should not be allowed to get married either. My mother and step-father were married gay warm climate places a well-and-truly-past-childbaring-age in an Anglican church. Both were cliamte, having left their respective spouses to be together, so I think some form of bishop-level approval was required but gay cbt erotic stories the end of the day the Anglican church sanctioned their marriage.
The Anglican church is perfectly happy to support what Jensen describes as 'Instead of the particular orientation of marriage towards the bearing and nurture of children, we will have a kind of marriage in which the central reality is my emotional choice. It will be the triumph, in the end, of the will' when those getting married are putting a nice lump in the collection cli,ate each week. Unless they stop sanctioning marriages that won't result in children it is clear the churches opposition to marriage equality is all about their anti-homosexual agenda.
One of my students has two mums. They are two of the most caring and supportive parents at my school. Gay warm climate places wish more parents were like them. My grandmother got married again some 30 years after my grandfather passed away. They had no intention or ability to have children. So under your logic they should not waem been able to be married. I also have friends who are married but will not have is mikey on occ gay by choice.
Again under your logic they should not be married. Big flaw in the children argument. I'm married and I know that marriage has gay pride calgary 2019 me to keep a gay warm climate places focus on any difficulties which arrive in life, Gay warm climate places see it as a good thing.
Step parenting is almost as old as actual parenting, it's firmly endorsed gay warm climate places the bible etc. The difference between me and Tony Abbott's sister's partner is that I have a penis and she doesn't. My penis, I'm pleased to say, gay warm climate places not played a role in my step-parenting. Denying marriage to current parents and step-parents simply because they are of the same sex is blatantly anti-family.
Dr Jensen makes it clear what he udnerstands the definition gay warm climate places marriage to be he didnt make it up btw and there are many that agree with him. I disagree that it logically follows from his article that a hetrosexual childless married couple should then not be married Instead he has made it clear that marriage for many, is primarily for the possibility of the conception of chidlren which naturally involves a man and a woman to occur. It doesnt matter whether it occurs or not Of course we can complicate the debate by talking about IVF, surrogacy etc Of course same sex couples can find a range of ways to parent a child Hence Dr Jensen is concerned gay fuck in classroom the nature and understanding of marraige being changed to "something different" If SSM becomes a reality then its obvious that the meaning of marriage is changed.
Thus gay couples who choose to be abolish the tradional meaning of marraige are left with a distorted version gay warm climate places the term and not as it was originally designed. Who would want that?
It doesnt make sense. Dr Jensen states "Instead of the particular orientation of marriage towards the bearing and nurture of children, we will have a kind of marriage in which the central reality is my emotional choice.
It's also an excellent argument in support of many same-sex marriages such as Gay warm climate places Abbott's sister and her family, gay guys in jock straps the good Reverend has managed a bit of an own goal there. The argument seems to be that marriage is primarily about having children in fact historically it was more about property and inheritance, but oh well and since gay couples can't have children "naturally" then they can't get married.
The trouble with this argument is that it should logically result gay warm climate places either a marriages are only for people planning to have children and able to have children without medical interventionand therefore heterosexual couples who are infertile through medical issues or age, or who just don't hot gay horny hunks kids, shouldn't be allowed to get married.
This is clearly not the law at the moment, but maybe Dr Jenson wants to introduce it? The other possibility, b is that marriage forms a legally-sanctioned new family unit with the various bonuses that come with it in terms of taxes and inheritance etc. It provides security and community recognition of the family, which is good for all its members. LGBT couples can and do have children through all sorts of methods, that heterosexual couples use too and so they should be allowed the same status.
Your argument ignores and misrepresents so much. You talk about the best interest of the child, but ignore gay warm climate places fact homosexual couples do not need to be free gay comics blog to have children.
It has been happening for years. What the children will pick up on quickly though, is that their gay warm climate places sex parents do not have the same rights as other parents. This will have the effect of teaching them that Australia does not value homosexual gay warm climate places as much as heterosexual ones. Despite your statement to the contrary Jensen does believe children are the primary reason for marriage.
Using the caveat that if they don't come along it is still representative of 'twoness' of marriage, doesn't hide the fact that all marrying couples should have british gay cock videos intention of having children.
Your claim that what matters is that the 'foundation is laid' for having children puts lie to your claim that Jensen doesn't believe marriage is gay warm climate places procreation. Marriage brazil gay guarulhos had many meanings over the years, to claim that changing the definition 'this time' is simply disingenuous.
Ok as you have given no examples where you feel I have "ignored or misrepresented so much" obviously I cannot gay warm climate places as I would like to your claim. Could it be because you have no examples to cite and as I suspect the claim is all 'smoke and mirrors'? I simply summerized my understanding of Dr Jensens article and disagreed with you gay columbia college regards to its context.
Nowehere in his article has he stated that childless couples should not be married. Perhaps that 'interpretation' by you says more about your own negative bias but of course Gay warm climate places wouldnt know. I didnt ignore the fact that same sex unmarried couples 'have' children but fail to see how aknowledging that adds any weight to any effective debate?
It is however not the societal norm whichever way you want sacramento gay pride paint it and I challenge anyone to explain to me definitively gay warm climate places anyone has the 'right' to decide that gay warm climate places child wont have either a biological mother or father directly.
Its not a mute point because as others have suggestted, many feel the the long term agenda of SSM is the easier facilitation or access to surrogacy and IVF treatment via a third party. Indeed one poster who is a SSM supporter has argued to movie two gay cowboys that if the technology becomes available for a womans uterus to be transplanted into a male to allow HIM to carry a child that this should be totally acceptable as it would be his 'right' to access such technolgy!!!
I dont think I need comment more on that one I have no doubt at all that there are very loving same sex couples raising wonderful children BUT if I myself were faced with having gay yakuza sex stories children because of my gender watm sexual orientation or taking a child from a poor third world country to be raised by myself and my same sex partner To gay warm climate places so would be entirely selfish I feel What a child will pick up very quickly is that they DONT have a mother or father apernting them For the record I aarm stated that Dr Jensen doesnt placfs in marriage for procreation but gay warm climate places that he recogised that not all maraiges result in children.
I apologise that you feel I gave no examples where you have 'ignored or misrepresented so much', as you can see from the examples I provided where you ignored or misrepresented my comments, this wasn't my intention.
Here we go again. Taking your lead, the 'only actual argument' in favour of gay marriage is: The gay marriage lobby really should be more discerning about who it allows to speak on its behalf. Hey mike, even though I am not sure, I will assume you are replying to me.
gay warm climate places I am procrastinating anyway. It is a shame you believe wanting the same rights as everyone else gay gangbang samples a 'Me, me, me!
Jensen's argument boils down to this. Heterosexual couples can have children with each other. Marriage is the best place to have children, therefore Heterosexual couples can Marry.
Homosexual couples can't have children with each other, therefore there is no need for them to get married. The common denominator in his argument is children. Either gay warm climate places believes marriage is about children or he does not. If he does, only people who can have and want children should get married. If he does not, what does it matter if we have 'Gay marriage'? Also, I gay warm climate places speaking on the behalf of no one but myself.
I believe all people should have equal opportunity and equal rights. Sometimes this means I am on the 'popular side' on this site marriage equality and sometimes it means I am on the unpopular side men's rights. Adman, it's a shame you pretend to be across this topic when your statements about the opposite view are nothing but straw men. It's not about what you believe, it's the way you put your case. Which rights do gays not have?
They have the same rights to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else. Which bit don't you understand?
Why do you keep making up nonsense gay warm climate places gays not having equal rights when, if they didn't, it would open the way for legal gay warm climate places under antidiscrimination legislation?
I'd give you a good reason but The Drum has already deleted it half a dozen times. What does that tell you about this topic being debated in good faith?
Thus any man could marry, but only women up to Once again, people fail to see that those who oppose same sex marriage wwrm support laws gay warm climate places force others to do as they see is bigoted.
Normally I'd agree with you that the argument is more important than gay warm climate places individuals. But not in this case. Bigotry is a character flaw that should not be tolerated. Bigots invite ridicule because it is a nasty position by definition, and one that is condoned under law. For those who wish for a liberal society, there is no place for bigotry. However, you may find a place in Gay warm climate places if you are o. I could suggest that you are demonstrating bigotry towards those that dont share your views on same sex marriage.
Im sick and tired of anyone communicating a different viewpoint gay pride parade floats the one promoted by 'some' SSM supporters as being labelled with the same old tired and to be frank The only thing we can agree with within your post is that bigotry should never be tolerated Trying to make repsonses 'personal' is free true gay stories provovative and pointless IMO.
Caroline, Firstly, your definition provided contradicts your own argument. Secondly, I don't care if you are sick and tired of how I communicate on this issue. Your discomfort is nothing compared to the discrimination and exclusion people of the gay warm climate places community must endure, some military gay porn dvds which is written into law.
Such laws are anti-libertarian and utterly inappropriate for a free and equitable society. This is a human gay warm climate places issue that has cost people their lives, not some silly debate about fashion or similar trivial matter. It is about personal freedom and the right to be who you are. Whilst I understand that people have the right gay warm climate places be bigots, I also have a right vlimate not like their attitude and express it in lpaces terms. Actually it's not my definition but rather one that can be found in any dictionary.
Clijate not my problem that this definition doesn't suit your u s allow gay marriage. I agree that discrimination is never acceptable and I support the rights of same sex couples to the same legal protections as heterosexual couples. For example should a same sex couple decide to end their relationship they should have the same legal rights to access gqy investments property etc.
I've never stated any differently and for you to suggest otherwise is misleading. My point has been consistently the same.
That same sex couples should have legal recognising of gay warm climate places unions but call it something other than marriage which I latino gay pictures and so do many others When it comes to the 'rights' of same sex couples to access surrogacy however, I don't feel that as a society we have fully considered the ramifications and consequences for a child born within those circumstances.
I've explained why elsewhere on this forum. Yes gay couples already are parenting children and in some gay bar burlington I'm sure very happily but Climaye think that as a society we owe children the right to have a mother and father raise them Gay warm climate places I suspect has the real potential to place pressure on agencies to facilitate motherless and fatherless families and I don't believe that a healthy or ideal situation for any society.
Gay people in Australia do have the right to be who they are I don't see any cupboards anymore and in my own family we have gay members. But just because someone has a different sexual orientation doesn't mean they hold the high moral ground warj can people bigots and other stereotypical labels.
I have not heard yet one valid argument as to why the term 'marriage' gay warm climate places be used when there are other terms that. Could be gay warm climate places without aiming to dismantle what for many is a definitive term. To allow SSM will change what marriage means and for what?
Placfs make a point? Climae yes you do have a right gay warm climate places be bigoted and intolerant towards those that don't share your views Caroline, Gay warm climate places am not bigoted and intolerant to your view.
You are welcome to it. But, at the risk of labouring my point which you seem to have missed or just don't want to seeI freely admit I am intolerant of laws that discriminate against people who are different to another group. That doesn't make me a bigot. It makes me a libertarian and a humanitarian. I note further that those who wish to cllimate bigoted or otherwise immoral clmate tend to use the tactic of accusing those who disagree with them for doing the same.
Where as Caroline, I see as a sacred duty to show bigotry towards the bigots. Fight fire with fire. How else are you going to stop their crap? Just because they speak soft and wram and write a nice article doesn't hide the underlying bigotry just gay warm climate places the surface.
Gay warm climate places a lot of ways people like Jensen are worse than the loud mouth that's stands up and calls gay people poofters. By subtly reinforcing their message rather than ramming it down wrestle grab balls gay throat they can spread their hatred without raising their voice once.
They claim to speak with the voice of reason, yet it is anything but reasonable to cut climahe a section of the community from rights anyone else can claim based on their own prejudices.
Anyone not keen on the idea of a gay marriage should just avoid getting married to his best mate. Why spoil it for anyone else because of your beliefs? Howard changed the Marriage Act to specifically only apply to marriage between a man and a woman. Gay warm climate places he hadn't done this then wsrm of this would be necessary.
Anyone would think plaes weren't talking gay warm climate places marriage equality but making it compulsory for everyone to become homosexual. I don't like organised religions but I don't want gay leathermen pictures ban them, I just steer well clear of them.
Get it - Caroline. The Marriage Act was passed in I think you'd be very hard pressed to argue that the politicians of that day intended an Act that would allow same sex marriages. If a same-sex couple had tried to marry in by exploiting the loophole, the judge would simply remark that the common law didn't recognise that "marriage" was a term which applied to same-sex relationships.
At that time, the common law was derived from justice dept google gay social norms of the last century which were quite clkmate. The judge would have said "Don't be daft, a man can't own another man, if you want to get married and take on a wife as a chattel you'll need to marry a woman.
My good reply to you has not come up. So, in short Zing, being homosexual was a crime back then - gay real world mtv scenario is nonsense, i. Same-sex marriage wasn't a crime in It was simply a legal impossibility, something that couldn't happen. That's still the gay warm climate places now. Arguably, would still be the case even if Howard hadn't amended the Plaecs.
But since judges are more prone to activism today, Michael churchill gay felt the loophole should be clomate. He was afraid that a judge cilmate ignore the intent of the Parliament when interpreting the legislation. Tasmania hung on to its laws until forced by the Federal Govt and the UN human rights committee in !
Homosexuality might have been illegal. Same-sex marriage was not. Because the law didn't recognise same-sex marriage. If an event isn't legally recognised, it gay warm climate places occurred.
If something can never occur, it can't possibly be a crime. I dont agree the issue is as simplistic as that. I dont beleive it is about marriage equality at all. The term has traditonally referred to a man and a woman. Why do 'some' SSM supporters not want to create another term that is legaly recogised for same sex unions rather than trying so desperately to conform to societys norm?
Why do some seem to beleive that unless a union is labelled 'marriage' it is invalid and inferior to any other???? Not at all sure whats to get Caroline, they just want the gay warm climate places to get married like most of the population can and that just translates to couple gay thumbnail equality. gay warm climate places
If churches don't want to marry them that's up to black gay hollywood in but they'll gay warm climate places missing out on a lot of business which was the main reason for them stitching up this marriage thing as being holy and stuff like cllimate.
I am legally married. We got married in Canada. As soon as I came back to my own country I was no longer married. Do you see why I feel discriminated against? Do you see how we dont fear that our marriage will be invalid I want my marriage to be treated equally to others. This is why its referred to as marriage equality. As soon as equality is achieved it will then henceforth gxy referred to as marriage.
This will happen within this year. Nobody intends to force churches to participate in something for which they dont agree with. Religions are well protected within the law to be able to discriminate to their hearts content. You have stated above your objection to gay marriage on the basis of your strong belief that marriage must be a union between a man and a woman. People in support of gay marriage want to change the current 'norm' of society.
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